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Joint Boards Articulation Commission

Student Transfer Committee

Meeting Summary Notes for January 22, 2004


Oregon Institute of Technology-Metro Center
Portland, OR 

Members Present
Glenda Tepper, Clackamas Community College, Chair
Jim Arnold, Oregon University System
Mary Brau, Lane Community College
Mickie Bush, Concordia University
Paul Hill, Portland Community College
Joan Jagodnik, Portland State University
Kirk Koenig, University of Oregon
Dave Phillips, Clatsop Community College
Diane Watson, Linn-Benton Community College
Elaine Yandle-Roth, Department of Community Colleges and Workforce Development

Glenda Tepper called the meeting to order at 10:05 a.m.

1. Introductions and Announcements

All those present introduced themselves. Joan Jagodnik is substituting for Terrel Rhodes, and Kirk Koenig is substituting for Martha Pitts today. Arnold announced that lunch would arrive around noon and thanked everyone for their prompt lunch payments. Arnold also walked committee members through the resource materials that were sent out as email attachments prior to the meeting.

2. Meeting Notes from October 30, 2003

The meeting notes from October 2003 were approved as submitted, with a couple of minor typographical errors corrected by Arnold.

3. Status of Reading Course Transferability Issues

Elaine Yandle-Roth reported that she in continuing to work on identifying, and eventually convening, a group of faculty who will be charged with identifying what "college level" means in terms of reading courses. She is still in the preliminary stages of pulling the group together.

One of the resource materials for the meeting today was a list of 100+ level courses at Oregon community colleges that are not accepted at the University of Oregon. Yandle-Roth indicated that Mt. Hood's WR101 and WR102 are legitimately on the list since those courses are not really college level. Phillips indicated that he is not sure why Clatsop's CPL 120 course would appear on that list. That particular course (Credit for Prior Learning) is taught online by Chemeketa and he was unaware of any difficulties with its transferability. 

Kirk Koenig announced that the Chemeketa Community College student who was originally denied credit for her RD115 course upon transfer to UO, has now been awarded that credit, giving her the full 90 hours for her AA/OT degree.

Mary Brau indicated that Lane indicates, on their AA/OT catalog page, courses that do not transfer -- although many of them are ones that are no longer offered on campus (but may appear on some old transcripts). 

The bottom line is that we need to determine which reading courses are college level and which are not. And to make sure the courses that are not college level are not numbered above 100.

Action: Yandle-Roth will continue to work on identifying possible faculty members to participate in this task group.

4. Responding to the JBAC Charge for a Lower-Division Transferable General Education Core Curriculum

Tepper reminded the Transfer Committee that they had before it a charge from the JBAC to put together a proposal for a transferable lower-division general education core. Phillips indicated that this topic was one of continuing discussion among Council of Instructional Administrator (CIA) members at their quarterly meetings. The topic has met with various reactions, from "why would we do this?" (indicating concern that students may leave community college campuses earlier), to "our mission is to help students prepare to transfer" (and that a transferable general education core is a good idea). Phillips estimates that a majority of his fellow academic administrators are in favor of this concept, and that there is wide support for examining this issue from a "outcomes perspective" rather than one based on courses and credits. The "outcomes approach," however, has yet to be clearly defined. Additionally, CIA recognizes that the University System must be totally involved in this dialog. Toward that end, the community college chief academic officers and the OUS provosts are holding a joint meeting on February 5th (at Lane), and one of the major topics to be covered will be the general education core. Dave Phillips and John Miller, both JBAC members, will lead the discussion. This will be the first opportunity for the academic officers of both sectors to simultaneously discuss this topic. Arnold indicated that the Academic Council was introduced to this topic for the first time as a group during their December 2003 conference call meeting.

Comments offered in discussion of this topic included:

In terms of answering "what would the degree look like?" perhaps we should simply develop a template such as:

Preamble (including language that states why this is an option: that the transferable general education core is a viable choice for a specific group of students that want/need to transfer prior to an associate's degree)

Core Requirements

A. Communication (x credits)
(include clear, concise description of outcomes in this section) 
Colleges/Universities A-Z: list of courses meeting these credits and outcomes

B. Mathmatics (x credits)
(include clear, concise description of outcomes in this section) 
Colleges/Universities A-Z: list of courses meeting these credits and outcomes

C. Humanities/Fine Arts (x credits)
(include clear, concise description of outcomes in this section) 
Colleges/Universities A-Z: list of courses meeting these credits and outcomes

D. Natural Science (x credits)
(include clear, concise description of outcomes in this section) 
Colleges/Universities A-Z: list of courses meeting these credits and outcomes

E. Social Science (x credits)
(include clear, concise description of outcomes in this section) 
Colleges/Universities A-Z: list of courses meeting these credits and outcomes

This template may be appropriate to share with the academic officers at their February 5th meeting. 

Action: Arnold will prepare a version of this general education template to be distributed by Phillips at the February 5th joint meeting of the OUS Academic Council and the community colleges' Chief Academic Officers. The template will include at least two examples of outcomes language, drawn from such sources as the EOU, UO, and/or Concordia University catalogs. Phillips and Tepper will also take the template to the joint meeting of the CIA and the Chief Student Services Administrators (CSSA) on February 6th. Feedback from these February meetings will be reported back to the Transfer Committee at the next meeting, where we'll continue to work on outcomes language and suggest a process to advance this concept to the next stage.

5. Miscellaneous Articulation and/or Transfer Issues

Brau announced that Lane Community College has made a tentative decision to accept 300-level courses for inclusion in a student's AA/OT (if earned at a four-year institution and then transferred back).

Arnold reported that a AA/OT credit transfer issue, with an attempted unwrapping of the degree, had been discovered and successfully addressed (in a case of a TVCC student transferring to WOU).

6. Schedule Next Meeting and Adjourn

The next meeting will be Thursday, April 29, 2004, 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m., at PCC SE Center (82nd & Division). Room and lunch arrangement will be handled by Paul Hill.

The meeting was adjourned at 1:25 p.m.

 

Prepared by Jim Arnold
OUS Academic Affairs
January 28, 2004
URL: http://www.ous.edu/aca/1-22-04.htm

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